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Pinning

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Tony and Ashlee from Australia. We are the proud owners of a nearly 5 month bull terrier Fabio. We love him to bits, possibly too much ha!
Anyway he's is what we expect from a young bully but he definitely has a bit of an attitude which we love. Just wondering about how exactly people pin their bully's? And how often? We think he definitely is trying to assert his dominance , this is tony typing and I'm a first time bully owner but my partner Ashlee has had them in her family all her life . I love his personality but just would like him to chill out abit lol! Any help very much appreciated.
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    Hi there "mates" not sure what you mean by "pinning" but if it’s trying to pin him down on his back or in a corner ...good luck. they have attitude and don’t like being pinned down...I think it’s natural instinct not to be on their backs..<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

    Jinx and Jenna now 13 and 10 months are a handful ...Jenna has calmed down a lot but Jinx has his moments...he tries to show his dominance especially with me..but with my wife he is a puppy. So yeah 5 months !!!! they get more crazy..

     

  • No not on his back and definitely not in a corner , just when he is especially bitey and won't listen or being dominant I will grab him and lay him on his side and hold him down for a short moment.
  • When we had trouble with our female I would have to pin her.  I take her legs out from under her to get her down on her side.  (Usually just hind legs so she can't kick off.)  Then one hand at her shoulders  with head and one on rump.  When she gives a 'sigh' and relaxes, I will take hands off her while telling her 'Stay'.  She can't get up until I tell her 'Ok'.  I make her 'give in' to me before I turn loose of her.  That's me claiming dominance.  Nip it in the bud now, before it turns into a problem.  A lot of Bull Terriers will assert dominance around 7 to 8 months.  
  • I see what you mean....yes also do that a lot ...also when Jinx is aggressive with Jenna I will talk loud and only when Jinx ears goes flat on his head I know he is listening....if not he just ignores all I’m saying...<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

  • Thanks Dianne, yeah I haven't been telling him to stay after being pinned but I'll definitely start . He gets very frustrated but then relaxes but most times will go straight back to the behaviour that prompted it. Just have to keep at it . Cheers
  • Hey @Ausbull !  Bullies are definitely hard headed.  Honestly, we never had luck with pinning Rosco, we would get him down, he would calm down and do this big sigh and as soon as you would let him go with was like the party was on again.  So frustrating.  I will say though at just over 10 months things seemed to really click with him.  Prior to that he had his own agenda which always outruled what we had in mind and he was as stubborn as they get.  We did send him for some training which helped tremendously for us and it all started clicking with him that it was a good thing to want to please us instead of getting into trouble.   I swear, prior to that we used to say that he acted like he had no conscious whatsoever, he didn't care if he was in trouble or we caught him doing something or he did something he wasn't supposed to then out of nowhere he just "got it" one day.   We have always had pit bull terriers and they are very easy to train early on and aware of what you are expecting from them but our bully was not like that at all when he was younger.    He is still quite spirited to say the least but he does mind and knows what is acceptable and follows the rules for the most part
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  • Thanks RoscosMom, I'll keep at it I guess, it's not harming him physically. Yeah we've read that at around a year they just seem to get it. Ashlee my partner isn't too concerned but it's my first bully and what an eye opener lol!! I find it really interesting that pit bulls are easier to train , go figure. Cheers
  • BulliesofNCBulliesofNC Richlands, NC
    The "Pin Method" is a disciplinary action that dogs instinctively understand and it works well. It results with the dogs' understanding that YOU as the owner are dominant to him and in control of his actions. Your Bullie should be listening to you and have a keen sense of what is or isn't accepted in regard to behavior.

    Some dogs may learn from a swat on the butt while others like the Bull Terrier take a tad more of a disciplinary method. A slap on the butt works for when they get caught stealing food from the table or teething on the dining room table leg but dominance and aggression require a different form of action that projects a strong signal to them in regard to their mistake in showing dominance and/or aggression.


    In the event I had a Bull that was displaying unwarranted dominance or aggression (for any reason) I would immediately grab him or her and "PIN" him on the ground. I would ensure I had him lying flat on his side while I held him by the neck. If need be I'd be putting my weight down on him to ensure he couldn't muscle his way out or provide him with the sense that his struggle is productive. The objective isn't to hurt him but to "Submit" him. It's actually something that dogs recognize as any animal would. While I had him pinned to the ground I would be yelling "NO" and saying things like "THAT'S BAD!" I would hold him to the ground until he remained there motionless, thus the result of submission. Once I released him I would tell him to "Go Away, you're BAD!" 90% of the time you'll notice an immediate change in his posture and attitude. I'm sure you'll then notice the guilt and shame look and chances are he'll be trying to slowly come to you in hopes of gaining your love and affection. This is when you need to remain strict and stern so he quickly realizes his actions made you mad and his actions won't be tolerated. Yes, he might act out later in the day or the next day but this is when you react quickly with the same method.

    Bull Terriers are a tough breed of dog and they have a high pain tolerance. Hitting them to cause pain is senseless and I don't recommend it with any dog. Instead of trying to cause pain you'll have better luck with a slap on the butt or on the snout with a loud of "NO" which is affective because it startles them and they realize they did something wrong. It kind of works on the same principles as those who train with shock collars which aren't used to cause pain but to startle and alert them every time they misbehave.


    In short, you need to be the ALPHA and your Bull Terrier needs to know it in order for him or her to take heed to the do's and don'ts that you enforce.
    - Steve Gogulski
    "It's not just a Dog, it's a Bull Terrier!"
  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    edited May 2015
    Where else in the world could you get such solid advise inside 24hrs, hey Cobber? My kids' dad is from Aussie, that sounds strange so let me clarify, my FURkids. They have an Australian Dad and American Mum....your first statement .. "I guess we love him too much" or some such.... Well he wouldn't be an EBT if you didn't love him too much, their whole character demands that you love them more than your human family... (Notsomuch) kidding there! But that's where the rub comes in.... They know you love the heck out of them, so they test your love by being as trying as they can... You asked how often, as often, but more importantly, the INSTANT they show serious disobedience... By serious I mean the stuff that makes your blood boil, except you can never let them know your blood's boiling. Enjoy
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • Cheers for the info guys , exactly what I was after and yes Phil , this forum has been a lot of help , keep up the good work.
  • We were having some bite issues with Bianca (13 weeks), we know she's a puppy and it's normal but she was drawing alot of blood and her biting seemed very agressive with us. She wouldn't/doesn't bite our small dog hard just playful nipping. I read on this amazing forum about the pin method and to my surprise and delight after doing it solid for a few days she started to understand that it wouldn't be tolerated anymore! Anytime she starts to get rough during play or just feels like she wants to bite i immediately pin her and say in a stern loud voice 'NO BITING! She starts to wiggle a bit and i continue to hold her then say in a soft voice 'quite now, no biting'. Once she calms down i again say no biting and release her. This has worked tremendously for us/her she has gotten so much more lovey and hardly bites anymore! The minute she goes to bite i say'do you want to get pinned?!' She will now think twice before continuing the bite IF she continues it at all. Im so proud of how well she's doing and how darn smart and responsive our little gem is :x thanks to all of you in your advice and support thru this amazing (trying) journey!
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  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    That's a wonderful photo and a wonderful story..... I am so glad it is working for you... Bullies are smarter than people and if you express strong love with the pinning she feels that more and is more responsive... TERRRRRRRIFIK!!!!
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • Thanks! Yes i completely agree that she feels the love in the end of the pin and i think that's what is making her respond well to it. She knows I'm initially upset but i make sure that she gets a nice quiet voice and a little love at the end to send her back on her play. She's a completely different puppy these days and i definitely give some of that to the pin method! Thanks again for the advice and support!
  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    I honestly don't know whether God deliberately made Bullies that extra bit trying, just so that we could have a more intense relationship with them and end up with a deeper love.  (If they were push-overs we never would grow with them as much as we do). {But that little face is a total heart ripper!!}
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • AWESOME SITE!!! Got my dream dog from when i was a child 22 years later haha and this site is gonna make things a lot easier for me cheers!! DOZER THANKS U
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  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    What a cutie!! Wow! Welcome!!  He looks totally prepped to have some mustard & relish smeared on him for my 4th July bun! What a hot dog!
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
  • My 7 month EBT likes to nip at everyone/thing. I have tried to pin her down unsuccessfully. She is very strong already and squirmy and I just can't seem to get it
    . Also, when I reach down to pin her she just continues to try and nip and bite. Any suggestions of what I can do better or a different way to get her down? Thank you!
  • edited February 2017
    Instead of the pinning, have you already tried consistently ignoring her, when she goes overboard and/ or giving her time-outs in a silent room or her crate for a moment and rewarding good behavior?
  • philsergeantphilsergeant Palm City, Florida, USA
    I'd try sitting on her, gently and lovingly, there is nothing that gets them to accept your superiority better than immobility.
    In the beginning God created English Bull Terriers, in the image of EBT's, God created all other breeds.
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